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Thursday, December 14, 2006

Murali Krishna Swami and his Guru Decoder Ring Sampradaya

Murali Krishna Swami starts his latest article with the usual put downs one would expect from a guru campaigner, namely that anyone who doesn't accept his guru as a pure devotee is "groping in the dark and lost in mental speculation". Also he points out, as they always do, that all of these unbelievers are "committing serious offenses due to their lack of proper understanding" - the typical aparadha defense. None of this is new, as we have all heard the same arguments in regards to Srila Kirtanananda, Srila Bhavananda, Srila Harikesh, and all the other past and present Divine Graces. In philosophical debate these are the obvious telltale signs of someone who has little substance to offer and has a weak faith.

After firing his volley of personal attacks against all us foolish offenders, he finally gets to the point of his article, that one must hear from a pure devotee's physical lips (not from his books, nor from a recording of his lectures). The entire emphasis is that the physical lips of the spiritual master are the most important aspect and only source of transcendental knowledge. Murali Krishna Swami's position is summarized in his following statements:


"Now one may say, “OK, I accept that in order to truly understand Vedic knowledge one has to hear from the lotus mouth and into the receptive ear, well, I am hearing from Srila Prabhupada from his tapes or CD’s…”. But that is not what Prabhupada says. One must hear directly from the lips, “Just like Sukadeva Gosvami was speaking to Maharaja Pariksit.”

"Srila Prabhupada has in many places spoken of the absolute requirement of directly hearing from the mouth/ lips of a pure devotee as THE process for developing transcendental knowledge (tattva- vijnanam)."

"Some may say, “That is all right, I am hearing from Srila Prabhupada or other past Acaryas from their books.” This sounds good but, when it is recommended to hear in order to receive perfect knowledge, it means hearing directly from the lotus lips/ mouth of a pure devotee into the receptive and submissive inquisitive ear of a bona fide disciple."


As neophytes are only able to appreciate Lord Krishna in His deity form, unable to see Him as Paramatma situated in the hearts of all living entities, in the same way these neophytes identify the source of the pure devotee's transcendental knowledge as being solely from his physical lips (vapu). For them transcendental knowledge cannot come in his writings, nor even in his recorded lectures, as the physical lips are missing from that transmission. Thus we are to understand that if the guru were to get into some accident, whereby his lips were damaged, then that would be the end of his transcendental knowledge. A new guru replacement would need to be found who had the physical lips by which to transmit transcendental knowledge. Or perhaps if the guru was unable to physically speak (due to damaged vocal cords), then he wouldn't be able to be a guru at all, even if he was able to write all of his transcnendental realizations in books. Without the physical lips and the physical opening and closing of the mouth, transcendental knowledge cannot be transmitted. This is the primary teaching of the neophyte vapu sampradaya.

To them the primary duty of the disciple is to carry a tape measure for making sure he is situated within the scripturally required 15 foot distance from the lips of the pure devotee. He should be careful to measure directly from the lips, not from the feet or any other part of the pure devotee's body. If he is somehow out of range from the lips of the pure devotee, then there is no chance for him to develop pure devotion. For them the guru is limited by both time and space, and you must be both physically near to the guru and also “hearing live” for there to be any chance of getting spiritual knowledge. If you later watch a video of the guru speaking, the guru's teachings become impotent due to time lapse. And even if you hear the same lecture live being broadcast through a microphone system (as is done in many ISKCON temples, while devotees do service in the kitchen or pujari room), you will not get transcendental knowledge because you are not within 15 feet of the guru's physical lips.

Of course for those who have actually read Srila Prabhupada's teachings, this all sounds absurd and completely against his transcendental teachings. Srila Prabhupada never once stressed the importance of his physical lips, nor did he emphasize the need to travel with him to hear in his physical presence. How many of Srila Prabhupada's disciples even met Srila Prabhupada once in their lives? The majority of them did not meet him, but still received transcendental knowledge from him through his books. When someone directly teaches something opposite to what Srila Prabhupada taught, it is obviously a deviation that disqualifies them from being his pure representative. In numerous places Srila Prabhupada has stressed that hearing his teachings are of primary importance over being personally present in front of his physical lips:

"To answer this argument, it is described here that one has to associate with liberated persons not directly, physically, but by understanding, through philosophy and logic, the problems of life." (Srimad Bhagavatam 3:31:48)

"There are two ways of association - by vani and by vapu. Vani means words, and vapu means physical presence. Physical presence is sometimes appreciable and sometimes not, but vani continues to exist eternally. Therefore we must take advantage of the vani, not the physical presence. Bhagavad-gita, for example, is the vani of Lord Krsna. Although Krsna was personally present five thousand years ago and is no longer physically present from the materialistic point of view, Bhagavad-gita continues." (Caitanya Caritamrta, Antya 5 Conclusion)

"I understand that you are feeling my absence. Krishna will give you strength. Physical presence is immaterial; presence of the transcendental sound received from the spiritual master should be the guidance of life. That will make our spiritual life successful." (Letter to Brahmananda and other students, 19/1/67)


Murali Krishna Swami and Gaur Govinda Maharaj go so far as saying Srila Prabhupada's books can never be understood unless you hear them explained physically by a "premi bhakta" (again within a 15 foot distance). By some coincidence, that "premi bhakta" whom they say you need happens to be them. So in other words, there is no way to understand Srila Prabhupada's teachings unless you become their disciples. But why didn't Srila Prabhupada inform his disciples that it was useless to read his books unless Gaur Govinda Maharaj explained them personally? Certainly he was present at that time and Srila Prabhupada could have sent all of his disciples to him to physically hear from his “lips”. While Srila Prabhupada was present he never hinted that his books required another person to explain them to us, nor that we needed to physically be sitting in front of him hearing from his physical lips to receive spiritual knowledge. Srila Prabhupada states the following:

"The instruction given in my books is supposed to be personal instruction. When we read the Bhagavad-gita As It Is, it is understood that we are receiving personal instructions of Krsna. No physical barrier is there in the case of spiritual affairs." (Letter to Dhrstaketu, 14th October, 1973)


Srila Prabhupada says there is no "physical barrier" stopping us from receiving transcendental knowledge when we read his books. It is clear that despite his physical lips not being present, this is not a barrier to the transmission of spiritual knowledge. He also says when we read his books we receive "personal instruction" from him.

Now all of this brings us to a very obvious question. Since Gour Govinda Maharaj is no longer living, why do people like Murali Krishna Swami keep printing his books? By their own teachings a guru's books can only be understood from the physical lips of the guru. Then why waste time printing incomprehensible books (without the necessary guru lips to decode them)? Now that Murali Krishna Swami no longer has a physical set of guru lips to hear from, he must be completely bewildered and unable to understand anything written in both Srila Prabhupada's books and Gaur Govinda Maharaj's books. Oh wait, this is another case of rules only applying to the rest of us, but not to them. For us, they insisted that Srila Prabhupada's books could not be understood by directly reading, but for them, they did not have the same requirement of needing a pair of physical guru lips to explain the purports to them. It becomes obvious that this is just another technique to round up disciples by being the only one with the "guru decoder ring".

The double standard is this: Gaur Govinda Maharaj never needed to physically hear Srila Prabhupada's purports being explained from the physical lips of Srila Prabhupada. He simply read the purports like everyone else and understood them. But for the rest of the world, he insisted that they needed to come to him to understand those purports, as he had the physical guru lips that were absolutely required.

Keeping in line with his guru, Murali Krishna Swami repeats the same propaganda, that only by hearing from a pair of physical lips can we understand any of these transcendental books. “But whose lips?” That’s the question that will naturally come, and unfortunately the answer is always that we must approach them. Now that Gour Govinda Maharaj is not present, will Murali Krishna Swami just get to his point and say we need to hear directly from him to understand anything in Prabhupada’s books? As to why he no longer needs the physical guru lips, who knows the answer? When the very root philosophy is a bogus concoction, why should we expect for there to be an answer anywhere?

If this philosophy had been supported by Srila Prabhupada, certainly he would have instructed all his disciples that they needed to stop everything, come to India and start hearing from his physical lips. But he didn’t. Instead he told them to just keep reading his books, and all questions would automatically be answered:

“In my books the philosophy of Krishna Consciousness is explained fully so if there is anything which you do not understand, then you simply have to read again and again. By reading daily the knowledge will be revealed to you and by this process your spiritual life will develop.” (Letter to Bahurupa, November 22nd, 1974)

“All questions will be clarified if you simply read our books very thoroughly and follow the simple process of devotional service as we have given it to chant regularly and rigidly observe the rules and regulations. This is our principle that the spiritual science becomes revealed to the devotee from within the heart according to the degree of his surrender to Krsna.” (Letter to Ekayani, 25th july, 1970)

“Actually I have already answered all questions in my books such as Bhagavad-gita, so kindly read them and chant Hare Krishna Mantra.” (Letter to Brian Fleming, March 6th 1974)


Actually Srila Prabhupada never even hints that his books are impotent and require a special “guru decoder ring” to understand. In fact he glorifies their immeasurable potency many times:

“I am very keen on the distribution of my books and I am very indebted to all of you for your untiring efforts to see that every man and woman in America get one of my books. If they simply read one page, even if they do nothing else, they can become perfect.” (Letter to Hari basara, April 20, 1974)

“These books are so nice that anyone who reads them is sure to become Krishna Conscious.” (Letter to Sukadeva, March 25th, 1971)

“Simply if one will read our KRSNA book, TLC, NOD, and Bhagavad-Gita As It Is, he will surely become a Krishna Conscious person.” (Letter to Nityananda April 1 1971)

“Even if one does not read the book but simply holds if and sees it, he is benefitted.” (Letter to German Disciples, May 6th, 1977)


What Murali Krishna Swami wants us to believe, is that Srila Prabhupada really meant all of this will happen provided we approached a physical pair of guru lips and heard the proper decoded explanations from them. Seeing as Murali Krishna Swami currently lacks such a pair of “guru decoder lips”, we request him to first locate a replacement for any non-living decoder lips he used to have, and come back for discussion when he is properly equipped. Otherwise his attempts to understand Srila Prabupada’s teachings will be futile by his own admission.

(Keywords: ISKCON, Hare Krishna)

11 Comments:

  • I found one of them guru decoder rings in a box of corn flakes.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:15 AM  

  • SRIMAD BHAGAVAD GITA AS IT IS by His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada, Original Edition.

    Chapter 4. Transcendental Knowledge Text 34

    tad viddhi pranipatena
    pariprasnena sevaya
    upadeksyanti te jnanam
    jnaninas tattva-darsinah

    TRANSLATION

    Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the truth.

    PURPORT

    The path of spiritual realization is undoubtedly difficult. The Lord therefore advises us to approach a bona fide spiritual master in the line of disciplic succession from the Lord Himself. No one can be a bona fide spiritual master without following this principle of disciplic succession. The Lord is the original spiritual master, and a person in the disciplic succession can convey the message of the Lord as it is to his disciple. No one can be spiritually realized by manufacturing his own process, as is the fashion of the foolish pretenders. The Bhagavatam says: dharmam tu saksad bhagavat-pranitam--the path of religion is directly enunciated by the Lord. Therefore, mental speculation or dry arguments cannot help one progress in spiritual life. One has to approach a bona fide spiritual master to receive the knowledge. Such a spiritual master should be accepted in full surrender, and one should serve the spiritual master like a menial servant, without false prestige. Satisfaction of the self-realized spiritual master is the secret of advancement in spiritual life. Inquiries and submission constitute the proper combination for spiritual understanding. Unless there is submission and service, inquiries from the learned spiritual master will not be effective. One must be able to pass the test of the spiritual master, and when he sees the genuine desire of the disciple, he automatically blesses the disciple with genuine spiritual understanding. In this verse, both blind following and absurd inquiries are condemned. One should not only hear submissively from the spiritual master, but one must also get a clear understanding from him, in submission and service and inquiries. A bona fide spiritual master is by nature very kind toward the disciple. Therefore when the student is submissive and is always ready to render service, the reciprocation of knowledge and inquiries becomes perfect.

    By Blogger Maah!, at 2:52 PM  

  • Hum..According to this purport of Bhagavad Gita 4:34, one must be able to pass the test of the spiritual master- not only hearing from him but serving him is essential for transmission of spiritual knowledge. Therefore until one is self realized (liberated) a person who is more advanced needs to be present externally to guide the disciple and be served so he can become pleased and give his realized knowledge and yes, he would be guiding with words from his lips.
    Duh... its personal. Personal.

    Or but wait..perhaps Sri Krishna the speaker of Srimad Bhagavd Gita doesn't know how spiritual truths are passed?

    Or maybe we just all assume we are already liberated with our sex and drugs and rock and roll. our inability to perform pure bhajan, our i and mine thief mentality. our bodily families with photos and celebrations. our fear of death.

    Then there is the question of:
    What kind of advanced? Unless one accepts a person on the uttam adhikari platform it is not possible to make advancement under his insufficient guidance. (Nectar of Instruction). So where does one find such an advanced guru? What do you think prayer is for? But no, we'll not pray; we'll use our tiny brains to try to figure everything out and let's make lots of unnecessary Vaisnava aparadha too, while we're at it? Eh?

    Who criticizes the guru-disciple relationship of personal service and individual guidance? One who has lost it or never had it. One who is saved, he knows the power of shabda brahman and worships it eternally.

    This is NOT to endorse Murali Krishna.

    Srila Gour Govinda Swami Maharaja was a pure devotee from birth by Srila Prabhupada's own disclosure and an ideal sannyasin by Srila Prabhupada's own disclosure. And this is not pure like we western cheap-os take the world pure. This is pure meaning his eternal, pure relationship with Lord Krishna was already existing from birth, something 99% of us will not get this lifetime, even. like Srila Prabhupada and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur have. His revered spiritual master, Srila Prabhupada ordered him to translate Srila Prabhupada's books into Hindi and Orriya as his individual service and to establish the Bubaneswara temple of Sri Sri Krishna Balaram, Sri Jagannath Swami and Sri Sri Gaura Nitai, which was a task impossible for the comfort-loving, neophite westerners. His published books are transcriptions of lectures he gave based on Srila Prabhupada's books. He was so firmly devoted to Srila Prabhupada in his life and speech that nobody can compare. Sincere aspirants can learn from that!!!!

    WHY didn't Srila Prabhupada tell us to accept him? Just see our envious mentality! We planned to kick him out of ISKCON. Hes no long phisically persent and we still deride him. Would Srila Prabhuada put his dear disciple in that kind of harms way? NO he would not!! It is our own fault we offend him.

    We foolishly claim that great souls like him are dead and gone "He Reasons Ill Who Tells that Vaisnava's Die for they are living still in sound."

    just as we believe that Srila Prabhupada is dead and gone and we have to now rely on our stupid minds; which is why Srila Prabhupada's so-called followers have lost the spiritual link and are so miserable and burdened.

    Srila Gour Govinda Swami Srila Gurudeva's books are invaluable in approaching the stage of spontanious devotional service. we are quite sure that those who critisize him or his books have never read them. They just lump him in and that is their great and terrible misfortune.

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  • If you are a normal person u have are accustomed to speaking to peoples in audible voice , looking to each other & standing as long as convesation is not complete / both of u are walking .Now you go to some iskcon program start chanting u r rounds & then decide to go to Iskcon temples in INDIA .There u ask some i a question 'how to lead a life of devotee ? The devotee indicates u come on some specific day & give some dakshina & ask the same question .Then u come give dakshina & ask question .he speaks to u in a very low voice ,looking in different direction & walks 20 - 50 feet while answering u r question.So what u will make out of this thing .? then u go to other devotee , to next & so on .Then u continue to be as u r & chant & follow the process .Then every 1 start laughing at u because u do not know anything.
    some 1 say u give few gold coins to guru on specific day .After few days u realise it is becoming very difficult to u to give this charity .so u ask the question again why I am unable to give gold coins? then some 1 in same style very low voice , facing different direction & walking 20-50 feet while u r still standing in the same place .Ans is go to sri mayapur & perform yagnya.1st of all u will have many questions .how much money u need ,when to start for yatra , when to perform yagna ,overall expenses etc .So the devotee takes money & walks away without answering any of these questions .so u continue to be as u r & they laugh at u .What u will make out of it? nothing. And then they inform already initiated desciples not to give any info/knowledge as u have not given gold coins to guru on specific days.So guru keep giving knowledge be humble menial servant .So try to follow .Then some 1 come & tells u to keep shoes infront of some 1 s room , sweeping broom in some place I am coming to clean that place .u follow the person 7 he doesnt come & others shout at u , that u r offending some senior devotee .Yes there is vedic ways of insulting some 1 . so u start with good intension of serving & then get into offending devotees .

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:11 AM  

  • iskcon India has become job giving company .U get paid whether u r bramhachari/ congression member .It is divided into 2 groups brahmans & non brahmins. Some non brahmins are also in the group of brahmins but not a single brahmin is in the group of nonbrahmins.So these 2 groups try to be good , coordial ,diplomatic with each other .but always trying to outsmart each other .If u r non brahmin & join brahmin group they make u offend nonbrahmin group members .So they have hired wrestlers & criminals in the temple for protection of nonbrahmin sanyasi & their follower group .Brahmins & their yes men are out of this group.So if u r not sindhi / maratha /brahmin dont go to iskcon temples as it is a waste of time .no 1 even give answerot basic question of how to lead a life of a devotee .? The answer that u need to give few gold coins to guru on specific day ,to be successful in that u need to go to sri mayapur & perform sacriifce on a specific day ,how much expenses ?u never get answer to any of these questions .meanwhile intelligent looking brahmin keep telling u no need to give gold coinns ,shrila prabhupad never told it anywhere in his books .brahmins are always looking for a person who doesnot know anything & they will tell him to do something like keeping "somethings" infront of non brahmins & actually it is an insult in a vedic style .so what happens u r simply insulting non brahmin devotees .brahmins dont tell u that they r making u insult others & non brahmins dont tell u that it is bad because u have not paid gold coins .So if u are indian & large numbers of u r community members are not in that temples dont go there . u will end up insulting devotees. Every guru has a secretary who is having a beautiful wife & this secretary is very close to guru .Every guru has spent at least 1 chaturmasya in hrishikesh , haridwar & during his stay this secretary & his beautiful wife also live with him to serve gurus.so u can know what is transpiring between them . So following tantrashastra to make money & being a devotee simultaneously is the root cause of all aligations by rutviks philosophers in india against iskcon gurus.So my suggestion is go to holy places & find a guru as u will not get anything in iskcon india, if large number of u r community members r not there . if u r sindhi , brahmin / maratha u can go .u will learn everything , u will get paid some salary inspite of being a grahastha & doing u r regular jobs .this is side job & money .In different states of india u get different castes devotees .brahmins & sindhis are common everywhere.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:45 AM  

  • all this is because Prabhupada was in illusion that he can create something nice but to read complaints of the devotees....this iskcon should not be created, it is wrong thing remember, absolutely wrong!

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  • The path of spiritual realization is undoubtedly difficult.

    NO IT ISN'T

    "'Approach a spiritual master to know the truth.'"

    PARDON? THAT'S JESUS. READ THE BIBLE.

    Absolute deception; lost religious mind control cult. KNOW THE TRUTH.

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